tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN November 4, 2010 12:00am-1:00am EST
that he doesn't always connect. i think you'll hear a lot of rumorsbout swapping out. >> larry: and thank you all very much. going to be an interesting couple of years. janet jackson is the guest tomorrow night. jeff bridges friday night, and natalie cole monday night. tuesday night, ricky martin. how we doing so far? right now it's time for "ac 360" and anderson cooper. anderson? thanks, larry, and thanks, everyone for watching. we begin as always keeping them honest with president obama struggling to answer the question, does he get it. does he get what happened last night? does he believe some of the policies he's pushed have been pushed back by the american people or does he believe as some democrats seem to that the american people just don't
understand the president's policies and successes and that the white house hasn't communicated them well enough? whatever the reason and we'll debate it in a moment. last night was as the president finally acknowledged today a she will picking up 66 seats so far, the biggest gop win since the 1940s with a number of races still undecided right now. over on the senate side, democrats held control but lost six seats. two major senate races still undecided want to tell you about. in alaska, incumbent lisa murkowski is out in front as a write-in candidate, republican tea party favorite joe miller who beat her in the primary with the help of sarah palin's endorsement close behind. scott mcadams a distant third. in washington state, mail-in ballots are dragging things out with patty murphy hanging on to a two-point lead with 72% of precincts reporting. patty murray, but all in all a very rough night for democrats. a subdued president obama said repeatedly he wants to work with republicans where he can. what yesterday also told us is that no one party will be able to dictate where we go from here. though we must find common ground in order to set -- in
order to make progress on some uncommonly difficult challenges. i told john boehner and mitch mcconnell last night, i am very eager to sit down with members of both parties and figure out how we can move forward together. >> but keeping them honest, listen to the president's interpretation today of why people voted the way they did last night. >> yesterday's vote confirmed what i've heard from folks all across america. people are frustrated. they're deeply frustrated with the pace of our economic recovery, and the opportunities that they hope for their children and their grandchildren. they want jobs to come back faster, they want paychecks to go further, and they want the ability to give their children the same chances and opportunities as they've had in life. over the last two years we've made progress, but clearly too many americans haven't felt that progress yet. and they told us that yesterday. and as president, i take responsibility for that.
>> the president doesn't seem to acknowledge that some of his policies may have turned off voters, and he was repeatedly asked about that today. >> are you willing to concede at all that what happened last night was not just an expression of frustration about the economy, but a fundamental rejection of your agenda? >> i think that there is no doubt that people's number one concern is the economy. and what they were expressing great frustration about is the fact that we haven't made enough progress on the economy. >> do you still resist the notion that voters rejected the policy choices you make? >> well, you know, savannah, i think that what i think is absolutely true is voters are not satisfied with the outcomes. >> exit polls, about one out of two voters apparently said that they would like to see it overturned or repealed. are you concern that'd that may embolden those from the other party perhaps? >> it also means one out of two voters think it was the right thing to do.
>> you don't seem to be reflecting or second guessing any of the policy decisions you've made. is it possible voters can conclude you're still not getting it? >> i'm doing a whole lot of reflecting and i think there are going to be areas in policy where we're going to have to do a better job. >> so in that answer, he does say there are areas of policy we'll have to do a better job. the president and a number of democrats have said that the white house's problem has been a communication problem. they just haven't done a good job of explaining what they've accomplished. the president said a couple weeks ago while campaigning in seattle. >> i think that one of the challenges we had two years ago was we had to move so fast, we were in such emergency mode, that it was very difficult for us to spend a lot of time doing victory laps and advertising exactly what we were doing because we had to move on to the next thing.
and i take some responsibility for that. i mean, our attitude was, we just have to get the policy right, and we did not always think about making sure we were advertising properly what was going on. >> so advertising. and communication problem. the problem with that argument is this president has been on a seemingly endless number of news programs, talk shows and he'll appear on "myth busters" in a couple weeks. it's not like we don't hear a lot from president obama. he's made dozens and dozens of speeches touting his policies. he's given 158 interviews in his first year in office, more than any recent predecessor. and in the months before he made that remark about not advertising properly, he made at least 20 speeches. here's a sample. >> the economy is now growing again. the private sector we've seen job growth in the private sector nine months in a row now. >> we have an economy that's growing again. we have seen nine consecutive months of private sector job growth. >> the economy is growing again. the private sector has created jobs for nine months in a row.
>> the economy's growing again. private sector job growth, we've seen nine months in a row. >> so he actually did do plenty of advertising about his economic policies. the question remains, are voters simply tired of what he's trying to sell them? joining us now, james carville, senior political analyst david gergen, ari fleischer, gloria borger and cornell belcher. do you think he gets it? >> he gets the magnitude of defeat. >> the reason for the defeat? >> no, but i think he understands how big it was. there was some question, some democrats are in denial today. but the -- i think he looked like a very wounded man out there. he was chacin, he was tired, and sympathetic but i do not think he showed he got the message, the substantive message. the real problem is policies didn't work yet, they're working
too slowly, he didn't say, look, there are a lot of policies here, such as health care, that the public has clearly rejected by significant majority, and he's not willing to concede that. and i think to that degree he's still not communicating in the way that bill clinton did after the '94 defeat. >> james, is this a communication problem? >> but it's a different communication problem, that i would say, is we have been very consistent. you should never go out and tell people they're working because they don't believe that. you're fighting a losing fight. but we're advocating and in "the new york times" and acting to the white house, you need to go out and set up a construct, he's fighting against what happened here. you had unregulated, speculated greedy bankers that caused the financial crisis unlike anything we've had since world war ii.
he sets that up and says every day we're coming out and fighting and doing things, fighting as hard as we can against this enormous thing we're facing, that message would have broken even, would have been much better. >> ari fleischer, you're a commune indications specialist s this a communications specialist? >> this has nothing to do with communications, it has everything to do with spending, with big government out of control, with debt, the health care bill that nobody read, with a country that is frustrated with the substantive direction barack obama was pursuing. that's why it was such a big rejection, anderson. this is not your typical midterm correction. ronald reagan had 10.8% unemployment in 1982 and republicans only lost 26 seats that year. he's lost more than 60. 72 years to see a defeat this big. >> here's the problem, and i've got to inject sort of the factoids here. there is no broad majority mandate for health care.
you look at exit polling. there's no majority mandate for repealing health care. so you look at that, and i know it's a majority of republicans who want to do it, but there's no majority, and quite frankly part of it is messaging. when you still have a third of people think there are death panels in there for seniors, they've done a poor job of messaging. they have done a poor job of messaging. my last point is this. i think this election was not dissimilar from '06. you had independent voters wanting change and not seeing change fast enough and they pushed the pendulum and it swung our way. this time you had those same independent voters -- >> you're saying it's the same desire for change, just different result. >> republicans think this is about ideology, they're wrong. >> this is the third change election we've had in three elections. and so the public is not rejecting democrats, they're saying, somebody's got to get it right and we're going to throw you out until you do get it right. but what the president said today was, and it was kind of interesting to me, he sort of made an excuse. he said, we had to do all these things because it was an emergency.
people thought what we did in the emergency, i.e., the bailouts, was part of my agenda. but really that wasn't part of my agenda. that was something that was handed to me, and i had to deal with it. but he hasn't talked about t.a.r.p. or the fact it's actually -- >> that is exactly my point. nobody here would say you shouldn't have done t.a.r.p. nobody -- >> including george w. bush. >> nobody would have said that. but he should have had the bankers in there, he should have clubbed them over the head, he should have said, look what you've done to this, look what you forced us to do. we're going to deal with this, buddy, but then you're going to be called on the carpet. instead of doing that, how silly can you be? they wrecked business. they wrecked the world. >> david? >> the president made 54 speeches about health care. he marketed and marketed and marketed, and the numbers stayed firmly against the bill. it was the first major social legislation we've had since the
great depression, which was done in the teeth of public opposition. and when a party goes out as the republican party did and said, we want to do two things, we want to cut spending and we want to change the health care bill, and they pick up 60 seats, an historic record over 70 years, we normally call that a mandate. that's voters -- >> he gave speeches on it, but -- >> why do you not so that as a mandate? >> i can show you polls that show there's not five or six points difference between those who support it and those who disagree with it. in the exit polling, almost 30% said they wanted to expand it. so i don't buy this whole ideal that it's all about health care. republicans have been very good on going back to their bread and butter message. smaller government, less taxes. and right now that's where most americans are. but they don't realize that quite frankly -- you're paying less taxes now than any time in the '50s. the government is actually shrinking. >> people go to the polls and vote in the numbers they did for the opposition party, you normally and most fair interpretations are that's a
rejection of what the direction in which the governing party's taking us. that's what politics is all about. >> and have you to understand the magnitude again. cornell talked about how this is like 2006. republicans lost 30 seats in 2006. this is more -- this is more than 60 seats. >> it's also legislatures that have gone over in record. >> gubernatorial races, this was across the board repudiation of democrat ideology. forget messaging. when they could have tweaked it or not is immaterial. this is a substantive election. economics, economics, and it goes back to 2009 when republicans focused on spending. barack obama missed the boat on the core issues about spending and now it's come back to bite. >> james, final note. >> this was a tough night for the president. the public expressing pretty serious reservations, and today he looked like a guy who lost an election. that's what happened. i believed they were going to lose seats, i believe they went out with the wrong message.
would they have still lost seats? yes. >> our panel will stick around. let us know what you think at home of the live chat is up and running, ac360.com. ahead in the hour, who voted and how that differs from just two years ago. coming up next, congress woman michele bachmann. my first question, would she be open to cuts in medicare. here's how she answered. >> republican paul ryan has suggested sharp cuts in medicare and social security. are you willing to make cuts there? >> well, i think we know that just within a day or so the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day, he's taking 2,000 people with him. >> $200 million a day? where did she get those facts? did she get around to answering that question? we'll find out in just a moment. keeping them honest. [ female announcer ] any hair shines in the spotlight.
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republicans have been very unspecific about what big cuts they would make during the campaigns. so here's some of the promises we've heard over the last few months. >> there's a couple of agencies out there that have got to go. i said the first one would be the department of energy. >> if we can do what i have proposed, which is get rid of the department of education. >> let's not tax corporations. >> let's keep taxes low and let's cut spending. >> i think the solution is to eliminate corporate taxes altogether. >> get the epa out of our coal business down here. get osha out of our small businesses. >> i think all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another and expose all the nonsense that has gone on. >> that's michele bachmann talking about subpoenas but the biggest issues have been cutting taxes, the deficit and spending. she hasn't been specific, so we figured, let's start tonight. in the propose the $3.8 trillion budget next year, if you take defense, social security, medicine care and medicaid, interest on the debt, unemployment insurance, food
stamps and federal pensions off the table, there's only about 15% chunk left over to actually make cuts to. and cutting from just that 15% of the pie will not save enough money to make a serious dent in the more than $1 trillion deficit. so keeping them honest, we wanted to know what specifically with congress woman bachmann cut? i talked to her earlier. congratulations on your big victory last night. you've campaigned on cutting the deficit, cutting spending, not raising taxes like a lot of republicans, a lot of tea party candidates. there haven't been a lot of specifics, though, about what programs you would want to cut, to really get the kind of savings that we need. republican paul ryan has suggested sharp cuts in medicare and social security. are you willing to make cuts there? >> well, i think we know that just within a day or so the president of the united states will be taking a trip over to india that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day. he's taking 2,000 people with him. he'll be renting out over 870 rooms in india, and these are five-star hotel rooms at the taj mahal palace hotel.
this is the kind of over the top spending. it's a very small example, anderson. >> don't all presidents take overseas trips and stay in hotels where there's security? >> not, not, not at this level. we've never seen this sort of an entourage going with the president before, and i think this is an example of the massive overspending that we've seen. not only just in the last two years, really in the last four. that's what we saw at the ballot box last evening. the american people are asking us to take a look at this and not have the sort of extravagant spending anymore. >> the white house is saying the idea that this is a $200 million boondoggle is completely overstated, that that number, it's wildly inflated, those numbers. >> and that may be what the white house is stating. but again, we have never seen a trip at this level before, of this level of excess. and i think it's not a good signal to send to the american people when the american people are quite frankly struggling right now with high job losses. >> but you know the president needs security overseas.
you won't begrudge -- >> certainly. >> any president that. >> of course not. >> no one really knows the cost, because for security reasons they don't disclose the cost. so this idea that it's $200 million or whatever is simply made up. >> well, these are the numbers that have been coming out in the press, and, of course, those are the numbers that i have -- >> do you believe what you read in the press? >> well, should i believe what you say, anderson? that's really the question. >> well, i'm not reporting this $200 million figure. i guess i'm just -- it just seems odd, under president bush, did you ever talk about extravagant trips overseas, that there were too many people traveling with the president overseas? >> the issue here is really government excess and government -- government excess and spending. if it's that difficult and that expensive, maybe we should use video conferencing for these meetings to have meetings between our two government leaders. >> so you don't want the president traveling overseas? >> ore inviting them to come to
the united states. not at all. what i'm suggesting is that we need to rein in the spending at all levels. and we need to take a look at all of the decisions that are being made. >> in terms of actually cutting the deficit and cutting spending, you're going to have to make very specific -- you're going to have to come up with some specifics. >> well, we need to begin, quite frankly, with the general budget. we saw huge expansion, president obama increased spending the at federal level almost 25%. that's an amazing expansion. >> so you're not willing to say whether or not you'd cut medicare or social security, you're not willing to say you'd entertain that. >> we need to reform the system because this year we're spending more in social security than what we're taking in. six years ahead of the projects on what that would occur. so for the sake of the most vulnerable people in this country, we have to reform social security so it's solvent. >> so you are willing to look at cuts in medicare, cutts in social security? >> well, for cuts we need to begin with the general budget. we need to reform social
security so that it can stand on its own. and so that it can stand on its own with medicare. we can't be about scaring senior citizens right now. what we need to do is lay out the facts on the table and make sure that those who are truly in need who are vulnerable are taken care of. >> but extending the bush tax cuts will mean, in order to offset the cost, you'll have to come up with $700 billion just in spending cuts alone, just to offset that cost. if you acknowledge that that is true, what are three things you would cut immediately to help offset those costs? >> well, it's always considered a cost when people are allowed to keep their own money. i don't think that it's a cost when people get to keep their own money. right now the current tax policy is, in my mind, it's actually too high. the taxes right now. if we don't extend these tax cuts -- for instance, in my district in minnesota, we'll see 1.6 -- $1.2 billion taken out of the pockets of my constituents. and taken out of my local
community, where it will be spent. instead, 1.2 additional dollars will be sent to washington, d.c., sucked into that hole. >> but nationwide that's $700 billion in income the u.s. government's not going to be getting that they're going to either have to get from somewhere else or cut spending on. i assume you want it to be from cutting spending. can you tell me just three things you would do to make up for $700 billion in lost revenue for the government? >> we need to cut the spending back to the 2000, 2008 levels. >> three specific programs. >> well, and i'm trying to answer that. i think we need to look at eligibility levels, eligibility levels may be too high. we may need to cut them down by a percentage or two. we can solve this problem. we can cut back on the spending. >> congresswoman michele bachmann. after the interview we did checking on the trip to india costing $200 million a day. congressman bachmann said it's in news report.
it turns out the source of this unsubstantiated claim is not from politico it's have an indian news report and the original report is from an anonymous indian source, how he would know how much president obama's trip is costing, i'm not sure. after the interview we went back to the white house for further details, quote, the numbers reported in this article have no basis to reality. due to security concerns we're unable to outline details in procedures and costs but it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated. we can get some idea bill clinton's trip most expensive ever, $50 million and not per day but for the entire trip. so still ahead, the voters behind the midterm makeover. which ones defected from the democratic ticket and shifted the balance of congress? john king breaks down the numbers, and later our political team tells us why democrats lost crucial voters and what it might mean for 2012 presidential election. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 seriously, letting myself get sold into all these investments
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the fraying and in some places the collapse of the coalition that helped democrats in their big wins in 2006 and president obama to his landslide two years ago. last night, the most 100 competitive house races across the country, 91 of them were blue districts. now, more than 60 are republican red. and the geographic and the generational scope of the republican victory is stunning. let's look across the country at some of the things the democrats are worried about. let's start with this district here. pennsylvania a, in the philadelphia suburbs. patrick murphy, an iraq war veteran, he was defeated yesterday. one of the things that worries the democrats, have they lost their support among independent voters in the suburbs. let's move over to another part of the country, the midwest, illinois, indiana, iowa. the president lost seats including in his own home phil hare lost his seat. when you see the flashing red, you see indiana, ohio, virginia, all across the democratic coalition, a bit of a collapse. how did the republicans make such huge gains? not only in the house and senate, the governor's races, the state legislative campaigns. yes, their own republican base
was energized in part because of the tea party movement. the tea party helped make all these lights flashing red, especially in small town america. but the democrats had critically important defections. the republicans had best performance among union households since 1984, the year of the reagan landslide. just part of a blue collar shift in the republican direction, largely across the midwest and small town america. the gop also improved its standing among women, dramatically saw among independents and the result, these near historic gains here. the bottom line? a third consecutive election, where voters demanded change. the pendulum swinging to the red side. the president and his party didn't satisfy the voters who gave them all that energy in
2006 and 2008, anderson. >> john, thanks very much. our political panel joins us again, and adding into the mix, erick erickson from redstate.com. cnn contributor also now. so ari, obviously the tea party was a big story in this election cycle. take a look at some of these numbers on the board. looking at the breakdown of people's votes, whether their vote for house meant to send a message in favor of the tea party, 22% said they were sending a message in favor of the tea party. 17% said it was meant to show they were against the tea party. what do you make of that? >> i think it's a meaningless question, because most people were sending a signal -- >> most people didn't say they were sending a message to barack obama. >> 37% said they were sending a message about barack obama. so again, it's -- it goes -- the tea party was a factor in the republican primaries. it wasn't about the tea party shifted, it was the independent
voters who shifted. >> one other point about the tea party. they were successful in the general election in florida and in kentucky and they were wildly unsuccessful in delaware and nevada where we should have won. >> and probably colorado. >> tea party's got good ideas but they need better candidates. it's going to be a real issue for them in the future. they cannot do this, divide, and then lose. >> i would disagree with you slightly only in that i think some of these tea party candidates were reactions to the national republican senate oriole committee and would into the have happened. once they went into florida with crist, look at what happened with the nrcc and scozzafava. they stood back and said, you guys pick your own candidates. >> we have tea party people who were talking to when christine o'donnell won the primary. they said, if we lose, fine. it's important to stand on
principle. >> maybe next time they'll have more experienced candidates who actually know how to run races. these candidates really didn't know how to run races. and by the way, in defense of the republican senate campaign committee which i know you do not like, just think back to when they were recruiting candidates, when barack obama walked on water, popularity, 62%, republican party needed to show it had a pulse. and so they went out and they recruited well-known, yes, establishment, but well-known republican candidates like crist and yes, they all got defeated and all got -- >> so what does president obama do now? i mean, what happens now? for the next two years to actually get stuff done? he talked about working away from republicans but they say no compromise, no compromise. >> i don't think he made a sufficient pivot to the center today. he has to do that through policies and personnel. >> like bill clinton did in '94. >> absolutely like bill clinton did. i think one of the issues,
michele bachmann wouldn't tack it will tonight, but social security, if president obama says, i am serious about social security reform, and i'm willing to look at medicare reform, as he told the deficit commission he was willing to do, then i think in taking on his base on those issues, you cannot cut this deficit sufficiently unless you -- >> isn't that one of the things republicans attacked him for on the health care plan, is they were saying this was going to hurt medicare down the road? >> look at what they did to do this, they took money out of medicare that was there and frankly cut back some of the privatization programs that the republicans implemented that were like to be able to fund health care. >> here's where it gets fun. because, you know, ari this is where it gets fun. you've had fun for the last two years because you could attack us. but putting on my political hat, totally political hat, now -- >> wait a minute. >> now, i'll go rogue against the white house. the michele bachmanns of the world have to come up with
specifics about how they're cutting. you know as well as i do, i'm going to poll test that. >> the white house said to them, i've go to do my budget. how about you guys come up with something -- >> give me your budget. >> they both do. and that's the lesson of the clinton years. when bill clinton was president, he came up with ideas and he actually got balanced budget agreement done with a republican congress in 1997. both parties contributed to it and got the job done. republicans have already come out for a freeze on all domestic discretionary spending at 2008 levels which is a very significant cut to spending. you're talking hundreds of billions of dollars right there. >> is that a feasible cut? is that realistic? >> it will pass the house, i'll be curious about the senate and it's an important part of how to bring the deficit down. it's a great start. >> it's an extremely interesting idea but you've got to let the public deliberate on what it actually means. i don't think anybody has an idea of what truly is meant by this. it's something that's sort of come on the radar screen in the last few days. it's been mentioned by candidates but this is the first time the republicans are pushing it seriously. >> michele bachmann talked about it -- >> they've been talking about it for months.
>> but they haven't -- you would have to admit, do you know what's in there for $100 billion a year? i don't know what's in there. >> i was reading about it today, it's pretty draconian cuts. >> very draconian. >> back to 2008 spending levels. two years of spending levels and people call it draconian. >> that's when you get unpopular, you have to make the unpopular choices. guess what? that's what campaigns turn on. >> there's a larger issue here. do republicans control one half of one house of government? and we're going to have this wonderful dynamic for the next two years where republicans in the house come up with generally conservative solutions, they don't get through the senate and so for two years we're going inform see nothing with the economy probably improve, most economists would say. we're going to teeter totter for a while, and republicans would say, if they would just implement our ideas, they would work, and they're not letting us. unless they come together and figure out some different ideas passed, we're going to have this for two year. >> you're going to have scared democrats in the senate and a lot of democrats in the senate who are going to vote with you. >> guy from west virginia. >> the guy from west virginia. >> joe manchin.
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well, in a conference call to his supporters today, president obama was blunt, saying there's no way to sugar coat, it last night was tough for democrats. he warned they most likely face tougher days ahead. the voting map has been dramatically redrawn and we're likely to see an emergence of republican power brokers and leaders like sarah palin and others who will try to unseat
the president in two years. now back to john king. >> anderson, you know how it works, once one election is over, everyone says what does this mean for the next one? what does 2010 mean for 2012? let's get a scope of the republican victories here. this is the map copping into the night last night in terms of the house of representatives. see all the blues? that's blue house districts across the country. that's how we began the night. that's how we ended. that's before, that's after. sweeping, stunning republican victories all across the country. that's just the house. let's go to the senate races. we began the night here, remember all this up in the midwest, the industrial heartland there. began the night, all that blue, ended the night with all that red. the governor's races also critically important in 2012, again, look at all this blue. look at all the blue, especially the rust belt states. there's how we began, there's how we ended. why does that matter to the president of the barack obama? barack obama carried pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, i
could go on and on. these are all states the president carried. he also carried florida which kept its republican governor. if you're the president of the united states and you are looking at this map, the electoral map has changed so dramatically today from where it was not only yesterday, but when he won that big victory in 2008. so that is a challenge for the president. this is based in the economy among winning back support among independent voters and rural blue collar voters among which this president has always had a problem. so what about the republicans? who does this map help? for one, we saw sarah palin, she has tea party support. she is in a commanding position. who else? the republican governor of florida, the governor-elect, rick scott. watch him in the years ahead. right here in ohio, john kasich is the new governor there, he's a close friend of newt gingrich. we'll so if that friendship cements an alliance. michigan, on and on, iowa. how about iowa? terry branstadt is about to be the most popular in america as
the 2012 contenders try to get his endorsement. a very different map than when the president won in 2008 and a very troubling map if you're barack obama looking ahead to 2012. >> it's a difference two years makes. back with our panel. it was interesting, erick, it does seem the republicans have a new and very deep bench. >> very much so. remember that whole line we said for the past several years, republicans can't win in new england? guess what. the entire legislature is republican. they went from almost a 50/50 split to 75% of the new hampshire legislature. what's happening at the ground level in the states for the republicans is very significant because after 1994, a lot of people went to washington, many of whom were flukes. they really didn't deserve to be there, but they just did because the wave was so big. and the republicans never replenished the bench at the state level. this year they're replenishing them. the first two nonwhite female
governors in the nation were elected last night, they're both republican. >> don't forget, have you 19 state house that's have now gone republican. you've got redistricting going up and this sows the seeds for the future for the republican party. >> you were talking about marco rubio as a potential vice presidential candidate. >> one of the real problems the republicans have had is the people who have been circulating, speaking for the republicans, have seemed a little stale. and i think this is going to freshen up the republican voice. to have someone like rubio out there, getting christine o'donnell off the screen and getting rubio on the screen is a big step forward for the republicans. they've got these young guns in the house who are very interesting. i think we'll get more and more air time and you can have an engaged debate in this country, which i think would be helpful for the republican party, and give people -- and by the way, i think it's also going to open up the ranks for the nomination.
the working conventional wisdom in politics is, barack obama's going to win in part because it's a weak field running against him. apparently, but there may be new people coming under this. >> let me say this, i know i'm always partisan, apparently, taking off that hat. >> not apparently. >> you can take off the hat. >> look at what rubio did in florida. he split -- he basically got among hispanics and latinos, in florida what barack obama got. and which takes away a key democratic sort of part of that electorate there. so given how close that race was, if he ran with performance, like barack obama did with the latino vote, she'd be governor now. >> so what do democrats do to rekindle -- how do they get young voters back? how do they get african-american voters back? >> you put barack obama back on the top of the ticket. two things, one is people are comparing of the young vote to '08, which is false. in the battle ground states, the african-american did turn out and youth vote did turn out. so comparatively what it is in
midterms. however when you go out west and you look at what do we do to win that race out west, look how he blew away with the hispanic vote out west. when you look at colorado, again, we are becoming a blacker and browner country, particularly out west. and with republicans to compete there, it becomes awfully important. >> this is the sixth election where the republican death has been declared because of demographics. and yet they've gotten another reprieve. >> there's one riding issue and that's to stay with the economy. if jobs don't get created and the economy stays weak, it's going to be terrible for barack obama and deservedly so. if on the other hand jobs come back, i think you're going to see a sense, and the media's going to ep, that so much of what barack obama did has been vindicated. that's the shape of what's to come. we all have to fasten our seat belts, not worry about 2012 yet. focus on 2011.
that drives everything. >> i agree. of the last nine presidents who have been seeking re-election, three lost because unemployment was above 7.5% in the year they ran. and it was carter, bush sr., and there was another, oh, gerry ford. getting unemployment down, ari is right. it's way too early to talk about 2012 until you know what happens in 2011. at this point it looks like it's hard to get that unemployment rate down to 7.5%. >> both parties have a stake for 2012. there may be, i don't want to be pollyanna here, but there may be some ray of hope, because they both need to work towards that, that they can do some things to try to get it done. although obviously philosophically they have differences about how you go about it. but it's in their own self-interest. >> the only sure thing that i can guarantee about 2012 is the
congressional wisdom between now and the end of this year -- >> i agree with you on that. thank you, always good. we began the night with president obama's take on the message of the midterms. tonight on "parker/spitzer" they put james carville on the spot about what the president should be taking away from the landslide. >> do you think president obama's been wrong in substance? >> obviously people think that he's been wrong in substance. >> i'm asking you. >> i think he let the banks off way too easy. way, way too easy when they signed off on t.a.r.p. i think they should have gone for justice. they should have gone after them. >> pitch forks. >> wouldn't have mattered. >> yeah it would have. >> i think what these banks did, and what the greed was exhibited there is on a level and a scale that we can't even imagine. and the fact that they just seem like they were anxious to do this, the fact that there was not anywhere close to sufficient
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